Comments on: Freedom http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/ Semi-geeky musings, links, and observations by an all-geeky college student. Wed, 01 Feb 2012 22:17:14 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Jordon Kalilich http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8380 Jordon Kalilich Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:21:37 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8380 Not in America. Not in America.

]]> By: Kate http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8379 Kate Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:11 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8379 But why did you think they could do it? Kick a child out of the house 'cause of his non-religious views. The Middle Ages are already gone, aren't they? But why did you think they could do it? Kick a child out of the house ’cause of his non-religious views. The Middle Ages are already gone, aren’t they?

]]> By: Jordon Kalilich http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8378 Jordon Kalilich Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:11:18 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8378 I was afraid that my parents would make me leave home, but they didn't. I was afraid that my parents would make me leave home, but they didn’t.

]]> By: Kate http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8377 Kate Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:09:44 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-8377 <blockquote>Anyway, it's better than being kicked out of the house.</blockquote> Is it a joke or ...? My mind got stuck on this phrase and I can't get what you meant.

Anyway, it’s better than being kicked out of the house.

Is it a joke or …? My mind got stuck on this phrase and I can’t get what you meant.

]]> By: Josephus http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1634 Josephus Wed, 03 May 2006 15:44:02 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1634 This is interesting to me. I would like to start a dialogue with you, and any of the other people who have posted, if they are interested. I should mention that I found this post becasue I did a search for the quote form Joyce in one of the responses... it has haunted me for some time now (I ma in my early forties) and fascinated me at the same time... I am on somethig of a quest to understand my own faith (which i consider deep and abiding) and the inconsistencies of major religions - with themselves and others. Religiosity and faith, I have concluded - are not only the NOT the same thing - they are often exclusionary to each each other. BUT faith and the communities it fosters are an essential part of every civilisation since history began. I, too, am a student of science, and its history - and find it has all the earmarks and flaws of any OTHER religion. There is no doubt in my mind that God exists - and i believe that a proof consisyent with scientific methods is out there for the taking, if only "scientists" and "theologians" could free themselves from the semantic boxes the last htousand or so years have built. I am also certain that the nature of God is NOT explainable on any level we have yet attained... but one of the lessons of quantum mechanics is that the "real" need not be determined by by sense alone, but by the realm of possibility. I think we have failed as an inquisitive species by categorizing our modes of thinking so much so that we miss the forest for the twigs. It is undeniable that science, at its farthest reaches, has become incapable of discussing the foundation of reality without resorting to language that necessarily involves concepts of philosophy - which is just theology by another name. No matter where you wind up in the search for ultimate reality - whether it is the theoretical existence of an independently a priori moral code, or a sense of order in the universe - that is G.O.D (as one recent writer puts it) and so, I have found myself at the threshold of my last philosophical prejudice - I believe that True Atheism is impossible. I would love to discuss this further, as you are seemingly coming from a viewpoint that I once held, and seem eager to be its apologist. This is interesting to me. I would like to start a dialogue with you, and any of the other people who have posted, if they are interested. I should mention that I found this post becasue I did a search for the quote form Joyce in one of the responses… it has haunted me for some time now (I ma in my early forties) and fascinated me at the same time… I am on somethig of a quest to understand my own faith (which i consider deep and abiding) and the inconsistencies of major religions – with themselves and others. Religiosity and faith, I have concluded – are not only the NOT the same thing – they are often exclusionary to each each other. BUT faith and the communities it fosters are an essential part of every civilisation since history began. I, too, am a student of science, and its history – and find it has all the earmarks and flaws of any OTHER religion. There is no doubt in my mind that God exists – and i believe that a proof consisyent with scientific methods is out there for the taking, if only “scientists” and “theologians” could free themselves from the semantic boxes the last htousand or so years have built. I am also certain that the nature of God is NOT explainable on any level we have yet attained… but one of the lessons of quantum mechanics is that the “real” need not be determined by by sense alone, but by the realm of possibility. I think we have failed as an inquisitive species by categorizing our modes of thinking so much so that we miss the forest for the twigs. It is undeniable that science, at its farthest reaches, has become incapable of discussing the foundation of reality without resorting to language that necessarily involves concepts of philosophy – which is just theology by another name. No matter where you wind up in the search for ultimate reality – whether it is the theoretical existence of an independently a priori moral code, or a sense of order in the universe – that is G.O.D (as one recent writer puts it) and so, I have found myself at the threshold of my last philosophical prejudice – I believe that True Atheism is impossible. I would love to discuss this further, as you are seemingly coming from a viewpoint that I once held, and seem eager to be its apologist.

]]> By: Jordon http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1145 Jordon Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:53:19 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1145 I thought I made it clear, but I'll make it clearer: Religions don't make sense. I thought I made it clear, but I’ll make it clearer: Religions don’t make sense.

]]> By: Joe http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1144 Joe Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:21:30 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1144 So, why exactly did you stop believing in God? Because of rituals and traditions? So, why exactly did you stop believing in God? Because of rituals and traditions?

]]> By: Jamuraa http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1143 Jamuraa Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:14:34 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1143 I admire you - I can't go quite as far as to be a nonreligious atheist, at best I'm a militant agnostic: I don't know and you don't either, damnit. I try to get myself firmly planted in science, but it doesn't have the answers to the questions which are big and need answering; the questions which religion originally began with. If there is a compelling argument for there to be no god, I am willing to listen to it, but I haven't heard one yet that convinces me completely. At least it's better than what most people in a major religion will just dismiss anything out of hand. I admire you – I can’t go quite as far as to be a nonreligious atheist, at best I’m a militant agnostic: I don’t know and you don’t either, damnit. I try to get myself firmly planted in science, but it doesn’t have the answers to the questions which are big and need answering; the questions which religion originally began with. If there is a compelling argument for there to be no god, I am willing to listen to it, but I haven’t heard one yet that convinces me completely. At least it’s better than what most people in a major religion will just dismiss anything out of hand.

]]> By: Jordon http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1142 Jordon Fri, 13 Jan 2006 00:09:31 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1142 No, you're not a bad person, you're thinking for yourself. No, you’re not a bad person, you’re thinking for yourself.

]]> By: casey http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1141 casey Thu, 12 Jan 2006 23:03:30 +0000 http://www.theworldofstuff.com/archives/2006/01/12/freedom/#comment-1141 -clap clap clap- Jordon, I know <i>exactly</i> how you feel. I pretty much gave up [ooh, that sounded worse than it was meant] on catholocism a few months ago. Like, I still go to church and youth group but its not a real religious expirience for me. Am I a bad person if I don't pray at church or mean every word we were taught to say? -clap clap clap-

Jordon, I know exactly how you feel. I pretty much gave up [ooh, that sounded worse than it was meant] on catholocism a few months ago. Like, I still go to church and youth group but its not a real religious expirience for me. Am I a bad person if I don’t pray at church or mean every word we were taught to say?

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